Which Civilization is Best at Countering the Franks?
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I am a relatively new player to ranked play and I am having difficulty competing against higher ranked opponents.
Additionally, I have a strong dislike of Paladins and I rarely ever use Night Line.
I like berbers..
Nice eco bonus with faster villagers…
you will not be too late behind.
Plenty of camels for cheaper 🙂
Viatnamese.
The only Archer civ with a massive boost to it’s Archer hitpoints.
FU Halberdiers, and again extra-tanky Elephants as back-up.
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Malay
Infinite Long-Swordsmen.
The issue is that the Two-handed Swordsman upgrade is very tempting and also you might upgrade by mistake.
Avoid that and Infantry with the *long* swords easily unseat the Palas from their Horses and kill them.
And, of course, dirt-cheap Elephants.
What maps are you playing?
What civs do you like to play?
I’m about at that level and most of what I’ve found is that any civ can work under 1200-1300, since macro and strategy make up the larger share of reasons for winning.
Hindustanis camels.
Open archers, in castle you upgrade them to xbow and switch to camel only.
This should be an impossible comp to beat as franks in 800 elo
Franks are not hard countered by any civ.
But they struggle against CA civs, and to some extent camel civs but only if they’re making only knights & not pikes.
I’m shocked no one’s said mongols.
Mongols are even faster at scout rush than franks and they have good camels.
Byzantine.
Camels, pikes, skirms
By the statistics, Ethiopians have the best match up against them.
Source:
Persian and Sicilians TC drops can do quite well, especially if you drop their berries.
Aside from more practice (at 800 elo you aren’t perfect at the game) here’s some tips vs cavalry and franks:
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Pikes are useless alone, you need monks to get value from Pikes so rush down a monastery to steal their early knights.
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Resource wall, wall in your workers instead of building town surrounding walls, basically do what the viper does but before your opponent has scouts on your base.
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Grab relics and boom to imp, franks have no good options that don’t cost gold so having them run out of gold can win you the game, mass archers and pikes while you’re booming to prevent a castle drop and to start attacking the moment you get trebs.
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Raid stone, frank players love their castles and castle dropping so stop them from setting up defenses.
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Use camels, they’re amazing and lots of different civs have them (ethopians, mongols, cumans) especially middle eastern and cav archer civs.
The single unit Franks struggle against the most is Cav Archers.
Most Cav Archer civs also have good Camels which makes facing the Franks easier.
The Civ that is most designed to defeat the Franks is maybe Saracens.
They have CA, Camels, and Mamelukes.
However the main issue with fighting Franks is their early Eco is very smooth for Scouts into Knights and a Castle Drop.
Scouts are defeated with Wall/Resource Walls and a few spears.
Archers once mass stomp Scouts but you need to get to a mass of 6+ and have fletching.
It usually a good idea to include a spear to escort across the map.
Men At Arms do well to take Franks off of berries and force them to invest into a range.
They hard to keep alive though often not worth the investment at low elo.
Defensive Scouts and Spears.
Generic Scouts lose to Frank Scouts until you get bloodlines but usually numbers of scouts is more important.
Bloodlines in Feudal is an all in Feudal play which is pretty good against Franks.
In Castle Age you have to stop the Knights.
Pikes are not the worst option if you have a lot of spearmen left over from Feudal Age but generally you don’t to go Pike unless your opponent is all in knights.
In stead you want Monks as a counter unit.
And you own Knights.
Frank Knights are Generic they just have a strong eco to support them so 2-3 Monks and similar number of Knights is a good bet.
Camels are a good option.
They are cheaper and create faster than Knights.
Many Civs will go Crossbow and Camels until their Crossbow mass is high enough.
Camels almost always result in a Pike switch.
Pikes don’t like Town Center fire so you can retreat to defend under TCs and boom but your opponent might Castle Drop.
Scorpions and Range units are a good addition.
The Easiest Civs to counter Franks with are
Teutons, Hindustani, Gurjaras, Japanese, Huns.
These civs have clear paths to fighting franks are very easy to use.
There counter at this elo isn’t “a civ” I think, you need to learn how to wall your base and remain walled.
If not then hurr durr knight spam into your eco is actually the optimal strategy, that’s just how it is.
Hindustanis.
In castle age just get camels, no need for pikes rly.
Get camels and monks and start stone walling your main base.
Anytime they push with pallies you go for conversions.
If you need to contest in treb war you can run archers if they go for throwing axemen.
You can use ghulams raid their base.
Camel civs and civs with Halbs
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