How to Handle Mongols’ 16-Pop Archers

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    What tactics do you use to counter Mongols’ 16-unit archer rush?

    #20664
    SmoothConfection1115
    Guest

    Team game: panic and hope my teammates can save me.

    1v1: GG WP

    #20665
    Terzdezime
    Guest

    The most important part is scouting what he is doing.

    If he is up 16 pop and you see him building an archery range then dont go for scouts, since he will come forward with archer spears and it will be tough to handle.

    The best counter is to just go for straight skirms.
    16 pop is not a good strategy since you cant afford anything, so build skirms and you have better eco.

    I would recommend going skirms even if its 18 pop aggressive archers.

    #20666
    Umdeuter
    Guest

    MONGOLS 15 POP ARCHERS

    #20667
    valiant491
    Guest

    At 16 pop they are taking a big risk as their eco will be stretched to the limit.

    Countering them with skirms should be enough because they won’t be able to switch to anything else for a bit.

    #20668
    WillyMacShow
    Guest

    Pre mill drush into FC is smart.

    Or going 19 pop scouts (any Civ can do it) can help since they probably don’t have fletching.

    Or simply walling smart dropping a tower and going straight up into knights can work well too.

    The point of the mongol fast archers is to surprise you, so scouting it out is important.

    #20669
    ManjiGang
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    Being able to cope with this is one of the advantages of good scouting.

    Spot the range early -> skirms and not just a handful, opponent has put himself into a position that literally doesn’t afford him the option to switch to another unit.

    #20670
    BleedingNoseLiberal
    Guest

    I’d imagine it drastically depends on elo.

    Scouting early enough to get skirms should work for 1000-1400 if I had to guess.

    I’m 11xx so im no expert.

    #20671
    norpadon
    Guest

    How the hell is it possible to go up on 16 pop and have res to make archers?

    #20672
    XblAffrayer
    Guest

    If you see it happening, try to pick off a few vills.

    Also, with the current cav meta, I make a few skirms as your first unit can help ward off those rushes.

    It’s the same issue with the goth players in new player lobbies.

    be about 4min faster and poke is about the only thing you can do

    #20673
    Otsupbo
    Guest

    Skirms

    #20674
    Exe0n
    Guest

    Drush, into a wall.

    Can’t make archers without gold or an archery range.

    While he deals with your drush you should have time to fully wall and your eco will be ahead.

    At that point either go for skirm, or just FC knights.

    If you don’t do anything till the archers arrive you die.

    You can also just wall up with no drush, but depending on your map you may not be able to.

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