Ai Is Also Known As Elo.
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Hi there, I have a question about AI difficulty levels in relation to player elo.
Can you provide a rough estimate of which AI difficulty level is comparable to certain player elo levels?
I’m looking to defeat Extreme AI before entering into ladder matches, and I want to understand the level of challenge I will be facing.
Thanks for your help!
Extreme ai is about as good as like maybe a 900 or 800 elo player though it’s super predictable, it looks at magyars and thinks “Wow 2 extra los for my archers!” It also uses a lot of monks and over commits on counter units.
I’m 1200 Elo and can beat the Extreme AI pretty easily if I go for early agression on Arabia.
If I actually play defensive and let it get to Imperial, it can get very hard to impossible to beat Extreme.
I’ve only played few Arena games vs the AI and I remember losing some of them.
Extreme AI makes a lot of Archer/Skirm, which can be quite hard to beat.
If you really started playing ranked only after beating the AI, you’ll probably better than about half of all players.
I’d recommend just getting into ranked.
You’ll use your training time way more effectively playing against real people with varying strategies.
Ranked isn’t evil.
Just go and try
If you play vs the AI pretending its a player, it is probably around 1.2k
If you play vs the AI knowing it is an AI, with strats tailored to beat it, it probably is around…800?
The thing is, if it can play its game its somewhat hard to beat but it often just…does not work, the most obvious one beeing tower rushes or sending armies into walls.
honestly beating the extreme ai should basically be the gateway to playing ranked.
basically if you can beat the extreme ai you can do a basic build order you are now ready for ranked.
Depends on the playstyle.
AI will certainly go with feudal aggression so be prepared to put them on their heels or quickly set up a defense if you want to go late game.
Likewise, if you go with feudal aggression, AI will commit quite a lot in order to stop it, whereas 1k elo player will more quickly transition into castle age after doing the minimum to halt your agression.
AI can be more predictable too, flooding 1 or two of the same units up the middle so it will be easier to predict.
While likely more efficient than 1k elo player, it is more predictable and thus easier to counter when you realize the strategy.
I dont play ranked, mainly vs ai with someone else and I can 1v1 extreme on Arena, wasn’t even hard when I tried it tbh.
I’d put extreme at 1000 overall. 1300 if you don’t know it’s the AI and don’t scout rush/gimp it, but 900 if you do.
It’s a different kind of strong though, it’s inhuman micro makes up for its lack of decision making, but it can still go counter units very effectively
When I started ranked I could consistently win vs extreme AI but I bottomed at 900 elo and peaked at 1200 in the first few months.
The thing with AI is they are predictable and only apply one strategy for the most part.
You don’t need to scout because you know what’s coming.
What it does, it does well but it can also be exploited due to its intelligence limitations and inability to adapt to certain strats.
Players on the other hand can have up to 100 different strategies and do it in unexpected ways, so you have to scout well to compensate.
But players are unlikely to pull off build orders as well as the AI in less than 1200 elo.
The skillset to beat AI is wildly different than beating players
Play on BF, layer your walls with a space between each layer, and AI is an easy clap.
Just boom, make 30+ production buildings and flood them with trash until they can’t afford to keep up the pace of production.
Can’t be compared the AI simply does not play like a human.
It’s just different.
Maaaybe If I really had to put a rank extreme is like 700/800.
But the AI just simply won’t do what you see on the ladder.
It’s not going to instantly drop two stables and start spamming out knights.
Or use a Xbow power spike to hit your woodlines.
It just makes random units and trickles them at you.
I think if extreme AI was on the ranked ladder, with no advanced warning it was AI, it would be above 1000 ELO as it would win a lot of games in Feudal.
However, when you know you are playing the AI you can drop a castle, get murder holes, and voila, you win.
I think Hard would be about 750-800 on the ladder.
But again, only if people didn’t know they were playing AI.
thank you guys
Nowadays extreme AI has a problem that it tries to create house walls that never actually finish, and in the process it doesnt have enough wood for a blacksmith and risks villagers going forward, so its really not as good as it used to be.
I’d say the extreme AI is roughly 1000 or less in early game, and maybe 1150 elo from mid castle age.
However, its decision making and adaptation is nowhere near a human player.
The AI will always go 3 TCs no matter what the situation is for example.
it really depends, if you are good at early aggression i think you can beat extreme AI with the skills of an 800 elo player.
but if you tend to play passively and boom (and thereby let the AI boom as well) it can play lategame like a 1200.
Also I feel like the AI is very inconsistent.
sometimes it just rolls over and othertimes it puts up a way stronger fight
Very strong ‘it depends’ vibes.
The extreme AI is pretty decent at pumping out a lot of army in late feudal, usually a mix of archers/skirms and spears if needed.
It also has a pretty decent late game.
There are some very exploitable flaws though.
It never manages to fully wall like a human player would.
It also has a very strong preference for counter units; its rare to see the AI going for a knight rush for example.
All in all i’d say the ai is about 1100 elo level, but with a very different skillset than an 1100 elo ranked player.
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