Two Civilizations Do Not Represent Their People
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It is not accurate to group together the various Middle Eastern civilizations such as the Saracens, Slavs, and Turks into one single representation.
Each of these peoples have distinct cultures, languages, and architectural styles, and even fielded different armies in the Middle Ages.
For example, the Umayyad Caliphate copied the Byzantine army and the early Islamic Caliphate had great light cavalry which was key to their success.
Although these civilizations share the same religion and were united during the early Islamic Caliphate, it is still important to recognize the differences between them.
Just like the British, French, and Germans, who share the same religion and many cultural and linguistic similarities, it does not make sense to combine them into one civilization.
The same is true for the Turks and Slavs.
It is essential to divide them into separate civilizations to ensure that their unique characteristics are properly represented.
dont care at all.
factions in a game are a rough abstraction of real things, they dont have to accurately represent reality.
bishops dont actually walk diagonally like they do in chess, but they work in the game, and thats fine.
With Slavs it’s a bit weird because Bulgarians, Poles and Bohemians are also Slavs.
So one interpretation of the Slavs could be that they represent “Eastern Slavs”.
Which does kind of seem like it given the faction symbol and the unique unit as well as the langauge the speak in game and the names of Unique techs.
Slavs have already been “split up” but unlike Hindustanis, they didn’t get re-named.
So they are kinda in a weird spot.
Yes!!
More civs!
And I really liked the split they did with the Indians, this sounds like a good option
Saracens are the best achieved umbrella civ in the game, and their break up would **need** the inclusion of at least 6 new civs.
Otherwise we would be getting less culture groups and peoples covered than before the hypothethical split of the civ.
Like, yeah, split them after all the missing civilizations are already added to the game.
About the 80th civ or so
I would say Saracens will recieve the Indians treatment and get split eventually, but God knows how many DLCs will take to get there
Slavs might as well be renamed into Rus and you’re good to go
About the Turks I’m not sure.
The wiki says Turks are meant to represent the Oghuz Turk originated empires (mainly Seljuks and Ottomans), this is, the most prominent Turkey based empires of the Middle Ages.
They don’t represent something so broad like all Turkic people or anything, so a division may not be such a great need.
Realistically you cant make a civ for every empire that existed, but you also want to cover as much as possible, so having a civ to represent a few different nations is not the big deal.
I don’t care but if this brings more civs, do it.
I don’t care actually.
Don’t need more civs.
did you forget about the persians and berbers?
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