To All Magyar Admirers: Portuguese’s Tyranny is What Occurs When You Grant an Economic Benefit to a Civilization That Already Has Outstanding Units/Technologies and is Merely Balanced by Their Deficient Economy.
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For all those who appreciate the Magyar people: Portuguese’s advantage in terms of economy is what happens when a civilization already has great units and technology, and is balanced only by its lack of wealth.
Magyars were gonna get hunting dogs (+25% faster hunters/fishers, researched at mill in dark age) for free, I’m happy FE deleted hunting dogs and the bonus
Isn’t the berry bonus that much, is the fact that Organ Guns are too strong on castle age and Feitorias are actually just silly as flemish rev, is just that people didn’t find a cheesy strat with Portuguese, and Organ Guns were quite oppresive even before the projectile speed buff.
Now with the berry Bonus is wayy easy to do such strats, check Nicov vs Vinchester game 3 and see how silly are Feitorias for example.
Ornlu argued Portuguese don’t have a weak point now but on TTL I don’t see much Portuguese on other maps outside of Arena (where they are too strong) and they have been fairly defeated there, if anything I still see how absurd are Mayans and Chinese on the other maps.
Still I agree that civs don’t need blind buffs without seeing other maps, so I hope Italians or Spanish don’t get the same fate.
We know.
Magyars are fine as they are
On the other hand – when the margins are so small, that giving 250 res (thats 4 farms) makes them “opressive” its hard to design something exciting.
Current Portuguese is what happens when devs don’t learn from their (or their predecessors) mistakes.
Strong eco + strong wood&gold unit spam has been a problem that has recurred multiple times in the history of AoE2.
Huns CA, plumes/Mayans, arambai, mangudai, general xbow meta, Bohemian monastery, probably others.
Now the mistake gets repeated again.
If devs made portugese op, i think magyars coild get thier own time to shine.
Also portugese are this good becuse they have both a good eco bonus and a very strong UU.
There are not many civs that have both of these things.
They arent the strongest civ on any map.
While they are a top tier civ, calling them OP is a bit much.
Arena build is annoying cause its such a simple strat to execute and a difficult to defend.
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