“Even Hera Admits Vikings are Weaker After Devs Made Changes and I Was Disliked for Saying So”
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It was not a mistake, vikings isnt supposed to be an archer civ yet it was played as one by virtually everyone.
It needs something else, but it shouldnt not be thumb ring.
ofc Hera thinks vikings suck, they dont have hussars
My 2 suggestions (one or the other):
Give Berserks Berserkergang effect by default (or have the effect apply to all military) OR create another unique tech, something along the lines of all military +1/1 armor.
Give Vikings Halberdiers, 72 HP halbs appear strong at first but they’re probably on par with Burmese/Japanese/Slav halbs.
Need to rebalance Chieftains or remove the effect from halbs.
have another downvote 🙂
Vikings are an infantry civ.
The fact that infantry civs are always played as archer civs, is problematic.
We should buff infantry first, then decide if Vikings should be an archer civ.
Because Vikings are OK, infantry in general is not.
It’s even funny to ask for a “Vikings only” buff while the problem is much more obvious.
They got nerfed from being top 5 civ into average one.
How is that wrong?
There’s lots of average Arabia civs.
Vikings at least are the best water civ so they still have a niche to fill
The thumb ring removal was totally justified.
What was bad though was the chieftain nerf that came before that.
This should be reverted, berserkgang should be included in elite upgrade imo and then give them another imp UT, maybe also for berserkers maybe something else.
Aztecs also don’t get Thumb Ring, yet pros make arbalest with them all the time, so the lack of Thumb Ring is clearly not the problem.
What I think has really happened is that Vikings used to be the king of eco buffs in the game, letting them dominate with archers, fast castle age time, full boom *and* an incredibly fast imp time.
But now we have other civs with equally strong or even stronger eco bonuses (Poles, Hindustanis, Burgundians) that also have more population efficient and versatile units.
There was also a time not too long ago when Huns was considered a top Arabia pick.
How often do we still see pros playing Huns nowadays?
They’ve also been basically unchanged since 2015, so clearly it’s not an issue of them being nerfed.
It’s just that there are now better options on almost all maps.
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