Answer: Strategies for Countering Skirmish and Halb
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I had a game like this, was spamming hussar and cav archer as magyars – cav goes for skirms, cav archer goes for halb, just have to put pressure on them after clearing the army as they will be back soon.
I had the same problem a while back (at a lower elo) I found that onagers/scorpions solved it very easily
Either you can preemptively research longswordsman to kill trash or you can go for scorpions, scorpions kill all trash options except hussars.
You can also go for hussar Arbelest or really any other trash-gold comp.
I’m around 1000 elo, if I’m playing knights and see this I just add my own skirms, they kill they halbs and my Calvary takes out the skirms.
If you’re playing archers and have access to LC then add some of them to take out the skirms while your archers chew up the halbs.
Gold + trash usually beats trash and trash.
I’ve been enjoying CA civs because basically the mobility negates a trash army and you can almost jus always add light cav to deal with the skirms.
Flaming Camel is the only counter
When in doubt, Byzantines
Siege weapons like scorpions and onagers are what I’d use.
Elephant balista shreds everything until they find a civ with BBC or siege onager
Siege.
If you go xbows, siege just kills skirms.
At this level, even one mangonel should be very hard to micro against.
If you go knights, it’s trickier cause you need to ground attack pikes, but still mangonels or scorpions are amazing.
If we talk late game, any gold ranged unit+light cav/hussar+ rams composition should kill full trash
Depends on the civ.
Hussar cav archer works great if you have full upgrades and good numbers (more expensive obviously than halb skirm) or arb hussar works as well.
Or you can go just full skirm and get some siege behind.
Gold infantry can work as well.
Mango scorp?
Siege.
Go for scorpions together with whatever you’re making.
just make infantry brother, if you’re feeling spicy even infantry+siege which is a hard combo to stop with other things.
But for the sake of simplicity just mass some champions and then patrol.
It seems to me you knew already what to do, but since your execution is poor/slow, you’re trying to ask for another strategy.
Truth is, if you can’t make champions work against that, the problem isn’t what unit you’re making, but how many of them, with what upgrades and if you’re wasting them for nothing in unfavourable fights (like sending 20 champions vs 80 skirms), the same would go with any unit.
Maybe you need tips to buy time so you mass the champions more easily?
Well build castles on hills in front of your base, research masonry, repair when they treb you, stonewall the map to not get raided in the farm eco, research conscription asap since it’ll make military production a lot faster.
Especially the hills are important since on flat ground like 3-4 trebs already eat castles, but when you take 20% less damage they can hold a lot more.
You probably already know it’s good to do these things, but forget to apply them in practice.
If you have skirm knight or archer hussar it should beat full trash comp everytime assuming your eco and imp time is equal
Just going to point out you can usually afford the 355 res to pre-emptively get longsword as a hedge.
As soon as you click imp just grab longsword as a hedge.
Can grab supplies too if you’re extra suspicious. 500 res as a hedge sounds like a lot until you realize your 80+ villagers are pulling in 500 res every 15s.
You can definitely use longsword/2hs against imp trash while 2hs/champ is researching if needed.
Even if you lose an extra 10 militia or whatever by going in early you’ll maintain map control.
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