Eliminate Ratha’s Vulnerability to Skirmishers
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Everything else in the civilization is either a weak unit, a monk, or a unit that desperately needs a knight-skirmisher combination to combat it, and when you finally manage to get a castle up and give up your knight and cav archer slots, you are rewarded with a knight that is easily countered by skirmishers.
11 yes.
You can practically make only skirms and win against bengalis.
Aside from Rathas having all the weaknesses of a cavalry archer, Bengalis being classified as a naval civ really bothers me.
Rathas can be fixed pretty easily but with that ship bonus they will be an arena only civ.
Hope they get a real naval bonus and Rathas turn to heavy cavalry units that can switch to ranged, not the other way around.
That just feels wrong.
This might be a strange suggestion, but I think the Sicilian bonus damage reduction (from 33% to 25%) to all non-siege/non-ship units should be given to the Bengalis.
It’d help out a lot with the Ratha’s shortcomings and make the other non-elephant units a bit more useful, especially in Feudal Age.
The Sicilians feel a bit messed up of a civ these days and could use a rework anyways.
give bengalis thumb rings and it increases ratha’s melee attack rate, how about this instead
If they keep the skirmisher weakness, I’d like it to disappear when they switch to melee mode with the caveat that switching between modes will take a set amount of time kind of like a trebuchet has to pack and unpack.
In reality this idea might be bad too but I’m curious how it’d play out.
I don’t think ratha’s skirm weakness is the issue of Bengali.
Your idea of removal of weakness is not that interesting to me, as it
– Reinforces map that they are good at, i.e.
Fortress
– Don’t do much otherwise.
Powerful UUs don’t make them strong if you cannot build a castle, e.g.
on open arabia / land madness
(I think Bengali should be buffed, but not this way.
Possibly I will further reinforce their elephants, like further on the resistance to monks)
I kinda don’t understand why is it such a big deal that they get ‘countered’ by Skirms tho?
They’re just Cavalry Archers with a melee mode that increases their attack and makes it melee damage.
This means that Rathas are Cav Archers that can engage against low numbers of skirms easily, something that regular Cav Archers cant do.
Why is it such a big problem?
Their monks are quite strong.
Against skirm knight, pure monks should be good no?
Are people watching pro level tournaments?
We’re seeing a lot of bengalis use on fortress and arena, where they are competing with the other power house civs (Portuguese, Turks, bohemians, Burgundians, etc).
Not every civ needs to be good on every map, and Bengalis look like the excel on closed maps.
Give this civ hussars, and make Ratha like 20% cheaper.
An understated weakness is that they are substantially weaker vs onagers than knights in practice due to being more cumbersome with dodging aoe.
What is even the point of the ratha melee mode?
When does anyone switch if not to attack skirms?
Most run away from skirms and look for better engagements.
There really isn’t any melee fight that’s good to take on balance where hit and running archer mode isn’t better.
Am I missing something?
I don’t think I ever see the pros take melee fights.
Rathas aren’t the source of Bengalis problems, and I think it would be wrong to balance a whole civ around its unique unit alone, the point is the elephants, since all civilizations which are supposed to rely on them are now quite weak (looking at you Burmese!).
When elephants will be made as scary as knights Bengalis will be incredibly strong, and Rathas will have their use in cleaning up the pikemen
Edit: I do think that Bengalis could get supplies though, in recent tournaments we have seen that Champions can be a very useful addiction to their comp
What if the elephant’s DMG and conversion reduction applies to them aswell?
Maybe after the castle age UT atleast?
Melee ratha should not be receiving anti-archer or anti-cavalryarcher bonus damage.
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